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bullshark
2003-11-09 16:10:01 UTC
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We were invaded. Not one, but five divers from the dark side.

Two had the biggest spearguns I've ever seen. Five feet long
and four banded. All the rest carried spearguns as well.

One brought two sets of doubles on board. I was gratified to learn
that correct technique for carrying doubles is to grab both ends
and hold the manifold right under your chin with elbows high.

One was sporting DIN valve 8" jesus-jugs with cave fills. I was too
honored for words when he decided my foot was the best place to
rest one of them. I also learned that 8" jesus jugs are carried
on the shoulder, especially when boarding the boat.

Three of them carried HID. I can't say what the burn times were
but the size of the canisters reassured me that the boat would
have no difficulty starting engines in the event that the 8Ds failed.

Nine O'clock departure time came and went as we watched one of them
(who arrived at eight thirty), stand by his car talking on a cell phone
while his wife stood by talking on another cell phone as he carefully
assembled his gear. Gear that would not be on the boat for another
fifteen minutes. It's important to set it up right.

Dive time finally arrives and we learn all kinds of new entry
techniques. Face first seems to be popular with the big guns,
while baby strides that tap the platform with the tank, coming
in a close second.

Effective weight distribution is no problem. We see one of them
hitch up the all-neoprene-multi-pocket-crotch-strap-captive belt
to a point just below his sternum and cinch it up tight. This
guy is a serious hunter. He sports a blue on blue camo wetsuit
so the fish will never see him coming.

Pointing to an all-purpose folding hex-key set with a first stage
port plug on the deck, I ask: "Is that a problem?"

One of the big guns waiting to enter the water is handed a spool he
left behind. He slides it under the palm of the hand holding the
monster gun. Good call. You don't want too much stuff on yer D-Rings.

Two of the divers about to enter look like they are going to vapor
lock. Hyperventilating, their faces are locked in a grimace of firm
determination to overcome their obstacle. My rescue training tells
me to intervene, but the sight of those long hoses and practiced
OOA skills supersedes my gut feeling.

When we got back on the boat, all the divers were there. That was
a relief. We overheard firm reassurances:
"Nah you don't need a computer. I do it all in my head."
"Once you get your tech I it's all second nature."
"30 fpm to the first stop. Stay 20 seconds, then 20 seconds for
the next ten feet. Stop for 20 seconds. Then just repeat that
until you get to 20 feet."

One of the spear-sissies got a nice Hog. Rather than dispatch
it, he just poked it in the eye with the steel catch loop, poking
it out the other side. A half our later, the fish was still alive.
It's a pity that his "distressed-fish-shark-troller" failed to
attract our resident bull. I know he wanted to kill something
really big.

The hog was proudly displayed on the centerline mat, so we just
stepped over it to get to the second dive. When we got back they
were all on board again except for one, so I have great faith now
in their decompression planning. The odd man out was found by his
lift bag.

DIR divers are very impressive. The impression is indelible.

safe diving,

bullshark
Alan Street
2003-11-09 17:27:08 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, bullshark
<***@scubadiving.com> wrote:

€
€
€The hog was proudly displayed on the centerline mat, so we just
€stepped over it to get to the second dive. When we got back they
€were all on board again except for one, so I have great faith now
€in their decompression planning. The odd man out was found by his
€lift bag.
€
€DIR divers are very impressive. The impression is indelible.
€
€safe diving,
€
€bullshark
€

Nice story. It sounds like the Pony Boys have been reincarnated as GUE
grads.

Alan
mike gray, CID
2003-11-09 17:32:11 UTC
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bullshark wrote:

(snip)

Just proves there's a very fine line between recreational scuba and
entertainment scuba.
suds
2003-11-09 17:49:44 UTC
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Post by bullshark
We were invaded. Not one, but five divers from the dark side.
<snip>


Come on, you sound like Bush claiming Saddam is al-Qaida. These guys
weren't DIR. "Blue camo wetsuit?" Since when is any other color than black
permitted? "Hyperventilating?" Doesn't sound like they were in good shape.

If you don't want 'em on your boat, do what we do out here: spear fishing is
only permitted when free diving. That takes care of the safety issues too.
LOL



suds
Dawn Francis
2003-11-11 02:05:16 UTC
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A few years ago I was in Cozumel, a cattle boat dive, there was this one
loud American bragging that he was a PADI Dive Master <fanfare>. We all drop
off the boat to meet the local divemaster below and what do I see? The PADI
Dive Master <fan fare> bi**h slapping the coral with his fins! Yup - you
nailed the buoyancy issue buddy, it should take a few hundred years to undo
the damage you just did.
Lesson learned....you can't judge all divers by the arrogance shown by some,
come on people - you know better! DIR = Doing It Right and isn't that what
we all should be trying to do?
By the way Bullshark...I loved your story, well told. 'Tanks' for the
giggles!
Ladygodiver
Post by suds
Post by bullshark
We were invaded. Not one, but five divers from the dark side.
<snip>
Come on, you sound like Bush claiming Saddam is al-Qaida. These guys
weren't DIR. "Blue camo wetsuit?" Since when is any other color than black
permitted? "Hyperventilating?" Doesn't sound like they were in good shape.
If you don't want 'em on your boat, do what we do out here: spear fishing is
only permitted when free diving. That takes care of the safety issues too.
LOL
suds
Jon C
2003-11-09 17:49:35 UTC
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blah blah
Might be GUE grads, if you say so, but they're not DIR. There is a
difference.
Lee Bell
2003-11-09 20:12:25 UTC
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Post by Jon C
blah blah
Might be GUE grads, if you say so, but they're not DIR. There is a
difference.
You were there? If not, what makes you think your guess is better than
bullshark's observation?
Jon C
2003-11-09 22:15:43 UTC
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Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
blah blah
Might be GUE grads, if you say so, but they're not DIR. There is a
difference.
You were there? If not, what makes you think your guess is better than
bullshark's observation?
Lee Bell
2003-11-09 22:29:59 UTC
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Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.

Lee
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-09 22:42:24 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)

Dennis
Post by Lee Bell
Lee
John Francis CID
2003-11-10 01:49:01 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:42:24 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
There are dangers in dealing in absolutes.

JF
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think
of one way to spell a word."
- Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)
Lee Bell
2003-11-10 02:13:59 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up you
weren't being DIR that day.

Lee
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-10 02:57:07 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up you
weren't being DIR that day.
More like pointing out that ones claims have to match ones actions.
One can say they're X, but I fgure actions would be much more appropriate.

Dennis
Post by Lee Bell
Lee
suds
2003-11-10 13:33:06 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up you
weren't being DIR that day.
BINGO!!!!!
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-11 04:01:06 UTC
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Post by suds
Post by Lee Bell
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up
you
Post by Lee Bell
weren't being DIR that day.
BINGO!!!!!
Personally I figure that ones actions speak much louder thanwahtever claims
someone makes.
If one claims to be DIR, and yet engages in unsafe, inappropriate practices,
are they DIR or not? :-)

Dennis
suds
2003-11-11 05:26:47 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
Personally I figure that ones actions speak much louder thanwahtever claims
someone makes.
If one claims to be DIR, and yet engages in unsafe, inappropriate practices,
are they DIR or not? :-)
Can we also extended this to the "Religious Right?"
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-11 12:05:32 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
Personally I figure that ones actions speak much louder thanwahtever
claims
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
someone makes.
If one claims to be DIR, and yet engages in unsafe, inappropriate
practices,
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
are they DIR or not? :-)
Can we also extended this to the "Religious Right?"
Yes, or the irreligious left, or the religious left, or pretty much anything
else.

Dennis
Scott
2003-11-11 15:28:12 UTC
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Post by suds
Can we also extended this to the "Religious Right?"
Anyone stopping you and your cult from practicing whatever it is you
practice?

Anyone even give a shit?

OK then.
Lee Bell
2003-11-11 14:08:00 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
Personally I figure that ones actions speak much louder thanwahtever claims
someone makes. If one claims to be DIR, and yet engages in unsafe,
inappropriate practices,
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
are they DIR or not? :-)
If not, there there aren't and DIR divers anywhere. I used to have a post
by George on his experience with a keel weight, where he talked about
flopping around on the surface like a complete newbie and needing help from
both his dive buddies to get back under control. Then there's the time he
cut his drysuit open with a scooter prop . . . George says Scuba Pro
regulators are shit as a primary. Jarrod uses them, at least he does in
his fundamentals book.

I figure DIR guys are pretty much like other guys, they make mistakes, don't
pay enough attention to what they're doing on occasion and, when the insist
on coming to a shallow water recreational dive in full kit, look like what
they are, at that moment, being, strokes. YMMV. The biggest difference, as
far as I can tell, is the amount of noise some generate and the lack of
respect for others than they consistently demonstrate.

Lee
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-12 03:57:36 UTC
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"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <***@ever.invalid> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:If one claims to be DIR, and yet engages in unsafe, inappropriate practices,
:are they DIR or not? :-)

yes

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Kevin Metcalfe
2003-11-12 00:36:31 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up you
weren't being DIR that day.
That one doesn't pass the logic test. Was Jimmy Swaggert being a
Christian when he was spanking his monkey in front of a hooker in a
cheap motel room? I think that most people would say no. His actions
that night have nothing to do with Christianity as a whole. But they
do some something about Jimmy Swaggert!

If somebody is or claims to be a DIR diver and then does something
that goes against DIR, they at that point in time they are not a DIR
diver. If somebody has always been a safe driver and never got behind
the wheel when drunk, but then goes on a bender and kills 4 kids in a
cross walk, does that reflect on the driver or what we call safe
driving habits?

If somebody wanted to prove that DIR was wrong, then they would need
to find some situation where following the DIR tenents is less safe
than doing it some other way.

Here's one more. Rush Limbaugh in direct opposition to what he has
talked about on the radio all these years is addicted to pain killers.
Does that negate his message? On some level what he has done is
criminal. Does that mean that conservatives as a group are criminals?

Somebody's abilities (or inability) to follow their convictions has
little to do with the validity of those convictions. Those
convictions need to be examined on their own merits.

Jane Fonda going to Hanoi during the Vietnam war does not mean that
opposing the was was bad. Just as the Mai Lai massacre does not mean
that American GI's as a group are bad, or that even being in the war
was bad.

You've got to look deeper.

Kevin Metcalfe
***@yahoo.com
Lee Bell
2003-11-12 01:59:31 UTC
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Post by Kevin Metcalfe
If somebody is or claims to be a DIR diver and then does something
that goes against DIR, they at that point in time they are not a DIR
diver.
How about if that somebody is, say George Irvine?

By your rule, the very leaders of the DIR movement, are not DIR. You can't
have it both ways.

Lee
Chandler
2003-11-12 16:30:48 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never wrong.
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed up you
weren't being DIR that day.
That one doesn't pass the logic test. (SNIP)
But it results from the equally illogical position originally taken - at
least on this newsgroup - that if you adopted the DIR mindset you would
"never have to say you are sorry".
Dan Volker
2003-11-12 23:59:40 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're
doing
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they
claim
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how
many
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That's a rather convenient way to ensure your organization is never
wrong.
Post by Lee Bell
Lucky for all of us, there are those that won't let something like this
slide. You can't claim to have the best answer for all diving, in all
conditions, and all situations, and then claim that when you screwed
up
Post by Lee Bell
you
Post by Lee Bell
weren't being DIR that day.
That one doesn't pass the logic test. (SNIP)
But it results from the equally illogical position originally taken - at
least on this newsgroup - that if you adopted the DIR mindset you would
"never have to say you are sorry".
And just who on rec.scuba was "able" to represent DIR, and implied any such
thing?
I don't believe I ever did. In all likelihood, it was someone like Mike
Gray, having some fun with the NG.

Regards,
Dan V
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-13 01:13:24 UTC
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"Dan Volker" <***@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:And just who on rec.scuba was "able" to represent DIR, and implied any such
:thing?

Jammer.

Dan Bracuk
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Chris Guynn
2003-11-12 17:59:02 UTC
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"Kevin Metcalfe" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
<snip>
Post by Kevin Metcalfe
Does that mean that conservatives as a group are criminals?
That's probably not the best question to ask around here... :-)

C Guynn
Limey Dave
2003-11-10 17:21:53 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That sounds like a cop-out to me.

Dave.
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-11 04:02:51 UTC
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Post by Limey Dave
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)
That sounds like a cop-out to me.
Really?
If one claims to be X, but acts in a manner contrary to that, then are they
really X?

Dennis
Post by Limey Dave
Dave.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-12 03:56:37 UTC
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"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <***@ever.invalid> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:I thought that if you were DIR, then you're a DIR diver. If you're doing
:something non-DIR, then you aren't a DIR diver - no matter what they claim
:they are, no matter how much Halcyon gear they have, no matter how many
:classes they've taken from MHK or GUE. :-)

That pretty much sums it up.

Dan Bracuk
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Drew A. Dunn
2003-11-10 01:48:16 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.
Morons are everywhere. You found some that fly the DIR flag, so what?
Lee Bell
2003-11-10 03:59:04 UTC
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Post by Drew A. Dunn
Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.
Morons are everywhere. You found some that fly the DIR flag, so what?
So statements by those who were not there, about whether the described
divers were DIR or not, have no significance.
Drew A. Dunn
2003-11-10 03:37:19 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Drew A. Dunn
Morons are everywhere. You found some that fly the DIR flag, so what?
So statements by those who were not there, about whether the described
divers were DIR or not, have no significance.
Bullshark run across some bad divers. He recounted the story in witter
manner and I got a few laughs out of it. Personally, that's where my
concern ends.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-12 03:57:17 UTC
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"Drew A. Dunn" <***@nospam.alumni.virginia.edu> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Morons are everywhere. You found some that fly the DIR flag, so what?

I agree. Finding morons that fly the DIR flag is so common that it's
just no big deal.

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Crownfield
2003-11-12 06:09:50 UTC
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Post by Dan Bracuk, CTHD
:Morons are everywhere. You found some that fly the DIR flag, so what?
I agree. Finding morons that fly the DIR flag is so common that it's
just no big deal.
finding morons that do not is easy too.
Post by Dan Bracuk, CTHD
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Jon C
2003-11-10 05:34:03 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.
Lee
He said they were DIR divers, which they were not. He used this impression
to make a blanket statement about DIR divers in general, which is based on
the fact that he thought these divers were DIR, which they were not, by
definition.
bullshark
2003-11-10 14:27:24 UTC
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Post by Jon C
He said they were DIR divers, which they were not. He used this impression
to make a blanket statement about DIR divers in general, which is based on
the fact that he thought these divers were DIR, which they were not, by
definition.
As to "facts about what I thought", forgive me, but you have no clue.
I reported observations, not thoughts.
As to whether or not these divers were DIR, you cannot say.
You weren't there, you saw nothing and most importantly you did not ask
the divers what *they* thought the answer was.

It is not I who established the gang colors.

"Buy a Beamer and drive like this..."
"Clothes make the man..."
(and my favorite quote from my favorite B-Law Prof)
"It's a thin piece of paper that doesn't have two sides."

safe diving,

bullshark
Chris Guynn
2003-11-10 17:36:00 UTC
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"bullshark" <***@scubadiving.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

<snip>
Post by bullshark
(and my favorite quote from my favorite B-Law Prof)
"It's a thin piece of paper that doesn't have two sides."
A Moebius <sp/> contract?

C Guynn
NE333RO
2003-11-10 23:02:26 UTC
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Post by Chris Guynn
A Moebius <sp/> contract?
How many sides do they have :o)
Lee Bell
2003-11-11 02:37:27 UTC
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Post by NE333RO
Post by Chris Guynn
A Moebius <sp/> contract?
How many sides do they have :o)
Only one.
Crownfield
2003-11-11 04:03:34 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by NE333RO
Post by Chris Guynn
A Moebius <sp/> contract?
How many sides do they have :o)
Only one.
and even more interesting,
you can clearly see the left side and the right side,
and there is only one and they are the same.
Chris Guynn
2003-11-11 15:57:10 UTC
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Post by NE333RO
Post by Chris Guynn
A Moebius <sp/> contract?
How many sides do they have :o)
Just one... :-)
Chandler
2003-11-10 13:30:12 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
Post by Jon C
Improper entries, spears, wetsuit with steel tanks, holding spools in your
hand for storage, improper carrying of doubles. That's not DIR, that much
is obvious ;)
Only if you assume that all DIR divers are DIR all the time. I imagine that
part of bullshark's point is that they aren't. He and I have both seen DIR
divers doing some very non DIR stuff. Quite often, it's a case of do as I
say, not as I do . . . or, perhaps, because somebody that is DIR thought of
it, it's fine. When somebody else came up with it, it's crap.
Lee
maybe their GUE card expired so they didn't have to be DIR anymore
--
--Chandler --
May Hog be your boatman when you reach the River Styx
Limey Dave
2003-11-10 17:21:52 UTC
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Post by bullshark
DIR divers are very impressive. The impression is indelible.
Beautiful!
I just pee'd all over my neoprene cammy house slippers.

Dave.
JCACTION
2003-11-11 19:03:42 UTC
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Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own. There is
nothing like having an opinion with nobody to rebut it is there
BULLSHARK? Or is it Bullshit!

With that said, I am the (sissy) in the blue camo suit and I
definitely want to address your comments. I will start off by saying
that if youre not man enough to say something on the boat that youre
not pleased with, then youre not a real man and maybe the sissy
comment really applies to you. I am NOT DIR never have been and never
will be. I am however a serious hunter and that is something I am very
proud of. In reading your post I found lots of embellishing which is
typical of people like you. Here goes......

1. I dive steel tanks and wear a camo wetsuit. If you understood
anything about spearfishing, you would know that the camo suit breaks
up your profile in the water and therefore is more of a fish attractor
than a disguise. But then again, when hunters go hunting you always
see them wear what???? CAMO you JERK! Because I have been spearfishing
since I was 7 and have 32 tournament wins under my belt in freediving,
I would not expect you to understand this. However, I encourage you to
talk to excel, picasso, omer and other companies who specialize in
spearfishing and they may be better able to explain to you why a camo
suit works. I will not omit the opportunity to say that I at least
look pretty damn good in my camo suit while if you are the guy who I
think you are, you really would not look good in any wetsuit being the
fat manatee looking creature that you are. By the way, I hear GOOD
YEAR makes a suit that may fit you.

2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot. Dont be upset
just because you cant afford a $1,500 light. You need to LIGHTEN UP!

3. Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
critic? My you have incredible observation skills. You even noticed a
guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time. Is this a
problem for you??? The guy is a Doctor for the VA and a very good one
I might add. He was on the phone with the hospital, his girlfriend was
on the phone too, she is the same as he is! But that you would notice
such uneventful things makes me think you are a very grouchy and
unhappy human being.

4.You also mention affective weight distribution and how the guy in
the camo suit with his multi pocket wetsuit and cinch the crotch strap
just below my sternum. ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR wrong fatso. Como suits dont
have pockets, I dont need a weight belt and I always have my belt
waist high so I can attach my stringer to it. The difference with you
and I is that I have pictures in full gear, I have pictures under
water and I have videos of myself diving. I will gladly post them to
see how much critiquing you can do then. You are just a flat out liar
and doing it without me present makes me want to put my stringer
through your eyes, sorry your head is to fat and would not fit on my
stringer so I take that back. However, I am willing to post anything
that anyone here may want to see regarding how I wear my rig. I do use
halcyon not because I am DIR you idiot but because the hose
configuration and backplate is very streamline and helps me with my
spearfishing. I have no hoses or consoles hanging all over the place
like you do. I simply wear a backplate, no weight, my suit, fins and
mask. My computer is on my arm therefore what the hell is it your
talking about extra equipment ???? Please manatee man go get a
haircut.

5.You also mention a buddy of mine who did have a speargun which you
claim was over 5 feet long! It is only a riffe gun wiht 3 bands which
are very popular for those that can afford it. As for your comments
about him leaving his finger spool behind, let me just tell you the
reality of that situation. The boat had dive flags with those crappy
yellow line holders and he simply did what he always does on a good
boat, he did not want to mess with the yellow hanger and so he
intended to attach his spool to the flag and use that instead. He
would take that and clip it to his d ring. Only one problem, the dive
flag is such a piece of work that there is no way to attach his line
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with. Yes, he may have left it
behind and had it handed to him. He is an excellent diver and on the
way down he probably stuck it in his pocket. he doesnt carry a spool
on a dring unless hes using it JERKY.

About the rest of your comments and the other friends that were there,
I will leave it up to them to either address you or ignore you. At
this point I think they will probably ignore you, and by the way, the
guy saying he had the dive tables in his head really does have the
tables in his head, yeah hes the doctor who was on the phone too. You
on the other hand need your little puter to tell you what to do as
most of us do. He can dive and does dive without one because he does
have it all in his head. Then again, he is a doctor, you know? A
person used to harder things than rememebering a dive table.

Finally and this is the fun part, you admitted I got a nice hog!!!!
You call that a nice hog???? I call that a piece of garbage. I was not
displaying it in the center of the boat I was trying to see if the
boat had a cooler you idiot. There was none so I did not dispose of
the fish until the guy next to me told me it was ok to put the fish in
his lobster bucket. Whenver you shoot a fish, you string him through
the eyes and keep him alive as long as possible unless there is ice to
put him in. what would you have me do, put him in your ass??? That
would have killed him instantly. Most dive operations have a place to
store fish and I was asking if they had one or not. Displaying my nice
hog is what you wrote. Pal, if you ever want to see nice fish, come
dive with me or let me email you some pictures of real fish. Matter of
fact, I gave the "NICE" hog away because he was too small for my taste
and by the way, I did not know the resident bullshark is yours and
only yours. However, I have dealt with many bulls, tigers, dusky, reef
and blues in 33 years of diving, theres not a whole hell of a lot that
bull can ever do to scare me. Especially when I carry a powerhead.
Like I said before, I am not and never will be DIR I am simply an avid
spearfisherman and unlike you, I can prove what I claim. I dont need
weights because I have perfect trim and bouyancy. I am not like you
who needs 20 pounds of lead. I wear a camo suit because like thousands
of other spearfishermen who are serious about it will tell you, it
simply works. Now if that makes me a sissy, all I cna respond to that
is this.... Introduce me to your wife and let her come back if she
decides to come back to you and she will tell you whether I am a sissy
or not. Finally, I do have a big speargun and you know what? I am so
proud of that gun because it was hand made by a legend in the sport of
spearfishing who's name is william Kitto. I also have guns that are
hand crafted by the likes of Daryl Wong who is also a personal friend
of mine and another legend in the spearfishing sport. Now, if any of
the readers are interested, I can ask daryl wong himself to explain
the differences of a stupid biller gun and a hand made, enlclosed
track balanced gun. Dont blame me for having the right equipment which
you have never seen. Worse yet, dont criticise someone you dont know
without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves from your
lies. In reading your post, the one glaring thing that just jumps out
at me is this... You are not a man because you lie about things in
order to make yourself look better. You criticize everyone which means
you have serious inner self esteem issues and finally, you just are an
envious human being who has no balls and no spine. If you did, you
would have responded to the private email i sent you along with
pictures of real fish.

With this said, I dare you to respond, I further dare you to meet me
and call me a sissy but remember to bring your wife and I also dare
you to be a man and apologize. Any of those options works for me. I
dont know about your wife though, if you are who you think you are,
your wife needs a brromstick instead of a tank. Why dont you choose
and option fat man, stop trying to look younger by dying that brillo
pad you call hair and cut the little pony tail, that went out years
ago. See, theres always two sides to every story. Now its all up to
you how this ends up. I know you go to fill express all the time and I
know who you are so let me just tell you that when I see you I will
humiliate you. No matter what. If you bother me too much I will also
slap your wife's face with my ding dong. I also invite anyone that
goes to fill express to look at their photo album and see my
spearfishing pictures. I walk the walk and back it up. I promise you
fat boy I will embarass you and bring out the real you in front of
others no matter what I do!!! Enough said....any comments???
chilly
2003-11-11 20:05:42 UTC
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"JCACTION" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...

(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)

Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
JCACTION
2003-11-11 23:39:34 UTC
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Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
Scott
2003-11-11 23:39:35 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
I was wondering who and when someone would take Blacks place as the village
idiot, and now we have two.

Brewster and action.
rnf2
2003-11-11 23:53:36 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Stupid top post shifted to where it should go.

And you really don't get sarcasm do you? geeze, you must be as thick as two
short planks.

rhys
chilly
2003-11-12 01:38:37 UTC
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Post by rnf2
Post by JCACTION
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Stupid top post shifted to where it should go.
And you really don't get sarcasm do you? geeze, you must be as thick as two
short planks.
Not to mention that he's the second guy this week to get me wrong.
Lee Bell
2003-11-12 01:49:40 UTC
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You man, is a woman. If you'd bothered to look around a bit before shooting
your mouth off here, you might have known that.
--
The latest survey shows that 3 out of 4
people make up 75% of the population.
- -
Post by JCACTION
Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
chilly
2003-11-12 02:01:38 UTC
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Post by Lee Bell
You man, is a woman. If you'd bothered to look around a bit before shooting
your mouth off here, you might have known that.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks I unintentionally mispelled "idiot".
What an ijit is this blue cammo wearing child.

Myself, I've found that I can sneak up on fish without wearing cammo.
Steve Kramer
2003-11-13 00:56:49 UTC
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Post by chilly
Myself, I've found that I can sneak up on fish without wearing cammo.
This conjures up some great "Far Side" cartoon visual imagery... Thanks!

Steve Kramer
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Five years, two months, three weeks, one day, 12 hours, 56 minutes and 0
seconds. 57286 cigarettes not smoked, saving $17,185.85. Time used for a
better purpose: 28 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes.
--
"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons,
but in seeing with new eyes." - Marcel Proust
chilly
2003-11-12 18:55:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Kramer
Post by chilly
Myself, I've found that I can sneak up on fish without wearing cammo.
This conjures up some great "Far Side" cartoon visual imagery... Thanks!
I thought you said you didn't read these kinds of threads?

Regardless, let me just say that about that . . . You're welcome. :^)
Dazed and Confuzed
2003-11-12 05:05:35 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well, thanks for the compliment my man!!! great spelling I love it when a
drunk tries to taunt me!
Post by chilly
(snip ranting and raving and threats of sexual abuse)
Well, you proved he was right about you being some kind of ijit.
thus proving what an idjit you really are.


--


An amateur built the ark ....professionals built the Titanic.
Lee Bell
2003-11-11 21:58:35 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own.
You points would carry more weight if they came with a name. Funny you
would consider somebody else a sissy while hiding behind an anonymous
address.
Post by JCACTION
. . . if you are the guy who I think you are, you really would not look
good in any wetsuit being the
Post by JCACTION
fat manatee looking creature that you are. By the way, I hear GOOD
YEAR makes a suit that may fit you.
Nope, wrong guy. bullshark is not fat.
Post by JCACTION
2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot. Dont be upset
just because you cant afford a $1,500 light. You need to LIGHTEN UP!
I have a problem with it. It's what is known as "farm animal stupid."
You've heard that term before, right? Why would anybody carry something
that large just to look in a few holes in clear daylit water.
Post by JCACTION
Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
critic?
I'm sure he's a diver.
Post by JCACTION
You even noticed a guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time.
Is this a
Post by JCACTION
problem for you???
It is when the boat is held up for that person.
Post by JCACTION
Como suits dont have pockets , , ,
Some do, some don't.
Post by JCACTION
I will gladly post them to see how much critiquing you can do then.
Go for it . . . if you dare.
Post by JCACTION
I do use halcyon not because I am DIR you idiot but because the hose
configuration and backplate is very streamline and helps me with my
spearfishing. I have no hoses or consoles hanging all over the place
like you do.
Wrong guy again. bullshark is quite squared away when diving.
Post by JCACTION
He would take that and clip it to his d ring.
He was going to attach his line to the flag and then clip it off to one of
his D rings? Not a great idea in S. Florida where the number of boat
operators outnumbers the number of competent captains by about 5 to 1.
Post by JCACTION
Only one problem, the dive flag is such a piece of work that there is no
way to attach his line
Post by JCACTION
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with.
You mean the one that several thousand divers a year have no problem with?
Post by JCACTION
Finally and this is the fun part, you admitted I got a nice hog!!!!
You call that a nice hog???? I call that a piece of garbage. I was not
displaying it in the center of the boat I was trying to see if the
boat had a cooler you idiot.
As one spearfisherman to another, I just have to ask. If it was such a
piece of garbage, why did you kill it? I don't know how big the fish was,
but if it was like most I see in near shore waters, it wasn't particularly
big, probably less than 2 feet. Too bad you didn't let it live to grow
bigger. It might have made a nice dinner for somebody, some day.
Post by JCACTION
Whenver you shoot a fish, you string him through
the eyes and keep him alive as long as possible unless there is ice to
put him in.
I string them through the eyes too, but not to keep them alive. When the
stringer goes through, the fish quits struggling. I have enough problem
with sharks while spearfishing without having a convulsing fish attached to
me too.
Post by JCACTION
Matter of fact, I gave the "NICE" hog away because he was too small for my
taste

So you killed two small hogs?
Post by JCACTION
However, I have dealt with many bulls, tigers, dusky, reef
and blues in 33 years of diving, theres not a whole hell of a lot that
bull can ever do to scare me.
Then you really are farm animal stupid.
Post by JCACTION
Introduce me to your wife and let her come back if she
decides to come back to you and she will tell you whether I am a sissy
or not.
She's probably a better diver than you as well.
Post by JCACTION
Worse yet, dont criticise someone you dont know
without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves from your
lies.
Seems to me, you had plenty of opportunity, even if you aren't brave enough
to put your name to it.

Lee
JCACTION
2003-11-11 23:43:57 UTC
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I would not waste my tame writing to your absurd comments. The only thing I
can say is your obviously not a good diver and a definite ass kisser. but
one thing little man, i never hide my name is JC and you can call me or
email me and lets compare notes or do I have to slap your face with my dick
too. Why would you go and try to make some bullshit up if you were not there
prick!
camo suits with pockets????? LOL LOL LO LLOL LOL shea right!!!!

youre a spearfisherman???? show me some fish lets exchange notes honest come
on be a man.
Post by Lee Bell
Post by JCACTION
Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own.
You points would carry more weight if they came with a name. Funny you
would consider somebody else a sissy while hiding behind an anonymous
address.
Post by JCACTION
. . . if you are the guy who I think you are, you really would not look
good in any wetsuit being the
Post by JCACTION
fat manatee looking creature that you are. By the way, I hear GOOD
YEAR makes a suit that may fit you.
Nope, wrong guy. bullshark is not fat.
Post by JCACTION
2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot. Dont be upset
just because you cant afford a $1,500 light. You need to LIGHTEN UP!
I have a problem with it. It's what is known as "farm animal stupid."
You've heard that term before, right? Why would anybody carry something
that large just to look in a few holes in clear daylit water.
Post by JCACTION
Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
critic?
I'm sure he's a diver.
Post by JCACTION
You even noticed a guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time.
Is this a
Post by JCACTION
problem for you???
It is when the boat is held up for that person.
Post by JCACTION
Como suits dont have pockets , , ,
Some do, some don't.
Post by JCACTION
I will gladly post them to see how much critiquing you can do then.
Go for it . . . if you dare.
Post by JCACTION
I do use halcyon not because I am DIR you idiot but because the hose
configuration and backplate is very streamline and helps me with my
spearfishing. I have no hoses or consoles hanging all over the place
like you do.
Wrong guy again. bullshark is quite squared away when diving.
Post by JCACTION
He would take that and clip it to his d ring.
He was going to attach his line to the flag and then clip it off to one of
his D rings? Not a great idea in S. Florida where the number of boat
operators outnumbers the number of competent captains by about 5 to 1.
Post by JCACTION
Only one problem, the dive flag is such a piece of work that there is no
way to attach his line
Post by JCACTION
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with.
You mean the one that several thousand divers a year have no problem with?
Post by JCACTION
Finally and this is the fun part, you admitted I got a nice hog!!!!
You call that a nice hog???? I call that a piece of garbage. I was not
displaying it in the center of the boat I was trying to see if the
boat had a cooler you idiot.
As one spearfisherman to another, I just have to ask. If it was such a
piece of garbage, why did you kill it? I don't know how big the fish was,
but if it was like most I see in near shore waters, it wasn't particularly
big, probably less than 2 feet. Too bad you didn't let it live to grow
bigger. It might have made a nice dinner for somebody, some day.
Post by JCACTION
Whenver you shoot a fish, you string him through
the eyes and keep him alive as long as possible unless there is ice to
put him in.
I string them through the eyes too, but not to keep them alive. When the
stringer goes through, the fish quits struggling. I have enough problem
with sharks while spearfishing without having a convulsing fish attached to
me too.
Post by JCACTION
Matter of fact, I gave the "NICE" hog away because he was too small for my
taste
So you killed two small hogs?
Post by JCACTION
However, I have dealt with many bulls, tigers, dusky, reef
and blues in 33 years of diving, theres not a whole hell of a lot that
bull can ever do to scare me.
Then you really are farm animal stupid.
Post by JCACTION
Introduce me to your wife and let her come back if she
decides to come back to you and she will tell you whether I am a sissy
or not.
She's probably a better diver than you as well.
Post by JCACTION
Worse yet, dont criticise someone you dont know
without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves from your
lies.
Seems to me, you had plenty of opportunity, even if you aren't brave enough
to put your name to it.
Lee
Scott
2003-11-11 23:48:00 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I would not waste my tame writing to your absurd comments.
Besides being an ignorant punk, you're a liar too.
chilly
2003-11-12 01:38:37 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
youre a spearfisherman???? show me some fish lets exchange notes honest come
on be a man
You are a man?! You act like a child.
Chandler
2003-11-12 04:28:33 UTC
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Ya got your dick out so much you probably need those pockets. Its
detachable, right?

top posted because what follows ain't worth reading
Post by JCACTION
I would not waste my tame writing to your absurd comments. The only thing I
can say is your obviously not a good diver and a definite ass kisser. but
one thing little man, i never hide my name is JC and you can call me or
email me and lets compare notes or do I have to slap your face with my dick
too. Why would you go and try to make some bullshit up if you were not there
prick!
camo suits with pockets????? LOL LOL LO LLOL LOL shea right!!!!
youre a spearfisherman???? show me some fish lets exchange notes honest come
on be a man.
Post by Lee Bell
Post by JCACTION
Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own.
You points would carry more weight if they came with a name. Funny you
would consider somebody else a sissy while hiding behind an anonymous
address.
Post by JCACTION
. . . if you are the guy who I think you are, you really would not look
good in any wetsuit being the
Post by JCACTION
fat manatee looking creature that you are. By the way, I hear GOOD
YEAR makes a suit that may fit you.
Nope, wrong guy. bullshark is not fat.
Post by JCACTION
2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot. Dont be upset
just because you cant afford a $1,500 light. You need to LIGHTEN UP!
I have a problem with it. It's what is known as "farm animal stupid."
You've heard that term before, right? Why would anybody carry something
that large just to look in a few holes in clear daylit water.
Post by JCACTION
Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
critic?
I'm sure he's a diver.
Post by JCACTION
You even noticed a guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave
time.
Post by Lee Bell
Is this a
Post by JCACTION
problem for you???
It is when the boat is held up for that person.
Post by JCACTION
Como suits dont have pockets , , ,
Some do, some don't.
Post by JCACTION
I will gladly post them to see how much critiquing you can do then.
Go for it . . . if you dare.
Post by JCACTION
I do use halcyon not because I am DIR you idiot but because the hose
configuration and backplate is very streamline and helps me with my
spearfishing. I have no hoses or consoles hanging all over the place
like you do.
Wrong guy again. bullshark is quite squared away when diving.
Post by JCACTION
He would take that and clip it to his d ring.
He was going to attach his line to the flag and then clip it off to one of
his D rings? Not a great idea in S. Florida where the number of boat
operators outnumbers the number of competent captains by about 5 to 1.
Post by JCACTION
Only one problem, the dive flag is such a piece of work that there is no
way to attach his line
Post by JCACTION
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with.
You mean the one that several thousand divers a year have no problem with?
Post by JCACTION
Finally and this is the fun part, you admitted I got a nice hog!!!!
You call that a nice hog???? I call that a piece of garbage. I was not
displaying it in the center of the boat I was trying to see if the
boat had a cooler you idiot.
As one spearfisherman to another, I just have to ask. If it was such a
piece of garbage, why did you kill it? I don't know how big the fish was,
but if it was like most I see in near shore waters, it wasn't particularly
big, probably less than 2 feet. Too bad you didn't let it live to grow
bigger. It might have made a nice dinner for somebody, some day.
Post by JCACTION
Whenver you shoot a fish, you string him through
the eyes and keep him alive as long as possible unless there is ice to
put him in.
I string them through the eyes too, but not to keep them alive. When the
stringer goes through, the fish quits struggling. I have enough problem
with sharks while spearfishing without having a convulsing fish attached
to
Post by Lee Bell
me too.
Post by JCACTION
Matter of fact, I gave the "NICE" hog away because he was too small for
my
Post by Lee Bell
taste
So you killed two small hogs?
Post by JCACTION
However, I have dealt with many bulls, tigers, dusky, reef
and blues in 33 years of diving, theres not a whole hell of a lot that
bull can ever do to scare me.
Then you really are farm animal stupid.
Post by JCACTION
Introduce me to your wife and let her come back if she
decides to come back to you and she will tell you whether I am a sissy
or not.
She's probably a better diver than you as well.
Post by JCACTION
Worse yet, dont criticise someone you dont know
without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves from your
lies.
Seems to me, you had plenty of opportunity, even if you aren't brave
enough
Post by Lee Bell
to put your name to it.
Lee
--
--Chandler --
May Hog be your boatman when you reach the River Styx
Crownfield
2003-11-12 06:20:23 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I would not waste my tame writing to your absurd comments. The only thing I
can say is your obviously not a good diver and a definite ass kisser. but
one thing little man, i never hide my name is JC and you can call me or
email me and lets compare notes or do I have to slap your face with my dick
too. Why would you go and try to make some bullshit up if you were not there
prick!
camo suits with pockets????? LOL LOL LO LLOL LOL shea right!!!!
___________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do |
/ O O\__ NOT |
/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ the trolls |
/ _ \ \ _______________|
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

(Keith Lawrence, 1999)
Post by JCACTION
youre a spearfisherman???? show me some fish lets exchange notes honest come
on be a man.
Post by Lee Bell
Post by JCACTION
Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own.
You points would carry more weight if they came with a name. Funny you
would consider somebody else a sissy while hiding behind an anonymous
address.
Post by JCACTION
. . . if you are the guy who I think you are, you really would not look
good in any wetsuit being the
Post by JCACTION
fat manatee looking creature that you are. By the way, I hear GOOD
YEAR makes a suit that may fit you.
Nope, wrong guy. bullshark is not fat.
Post by JCACTION
2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot. Dont be upset
just because you cant afford a $1,500 light. You need to LIGHTEN UP!
I have a problem with it. It's what is known as "farm animal stupid."
You've heard that term before, right? Why would anybody carry something
that large just to look in a few holes in clear daylit water.
Post by JCACTION
Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
critic?
I'm sure he's a diver.
Post by JCACTION
You even noticed a guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave
time.
Post by Lee Bell
Is this a
Post by JCACTION
problem for you???
It is when the boat is held up for that person.
Post by JCACTION
Como suits dont have pockets , , ,
Some do, some don't.
Post by JCACTION
I will gladly post them to see how much critiquing you can do then.
Go for it . . . if you dare.
Post by JCACTION
I do use halcyon not because I am DIR you idiot but because the hose
configuration and backplate is very streamline and helps me with my
spearfishing. I have no hoses or consoles hanging all over the place
like you do.
Wrong guy again. bullshark is quite squared away when diving.
Post by JCACTION
He would take that and clip it to his d ring.
He was going to attach his line to the flag and then clip it off to one of
his D rings? Not a great idea in S. Florida where the number of boat
operators outnumbers the number of competent captains by about 5 to 1.
Post by JCACTION
Only one problem, the dive flag is such a piece of work that there is no
way to attach his line
Post by JCACTION
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with.
You mean the one that several thousand divers a year have no problem with?
Post by JCACTION
Finally and this is the fun part, you admitted I got a nice hog!!!!
You call that a nice hog???? I call that a piece of garbage. I was not
displaying it in the center of the boat I was trying to see if the
boat had a cooler you idiot.
As one spearfisherman to another, I just have to ask. If it was such a
piece of garbage, why did you kill it? I don't know how big the fish was,
but if it was like most I see in near shore waters, it wasn't particularly
big, probably less than 2 feet. Too bad you didn't let it live to grow
bigger. It might have made a nice dinner for somebody, some day.
Post by JCACTION
Whenver you shoot a fish, you string him through
the eyes and keep him alive as long as possible unless there is ice to
put him in.
I string them through the eyes too, but not to keep them alive. When the
stringer goes through, the fish quits struggling. I have enough problem
with sharks while spearfishing without having a convulsing fish attached
to
Post by Lee Bell
me too.
Post by JCACTION
Matter of fact, I gave the "NICE" hog away because he was too small for
my
Post by Lee Bell
taste
So you killed two small hogs?
Post by JCACTION
However, I have dealt with many bulls, tigers, dusky, reef
and blues in 33 years of diving, theres not a whole hell of a lot that
bull can ever do to scare me.
Then you really are farm animal stupid.
Post by JCACTION
Introduce me to your wife and let her come back if she
decides to come back to you and she will tell you whether I am a sissy
or not.
She's probably a better diver than you as well.
Post by JCACTION
Worse yet, dont criticise someone you dont know
without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves from your
lies.
Seems to me, you had plenty of opportunity, even if you aren't brave
enough
Post by Lee Bell
to put your name to it.
Lee
Lee Bell
2003-11-12 17:53:31 UTC
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--
Lee Bell, CID
Post by JCACTION
I would not waste my tame writing to your absurd comments. The only thing I
can say is your obviously not a good diver and a definite ass kisser. but
one thing little man, i never hide my name is JC and you can call me or
email me and lets compare notes or do I have to slap your face with my dick
too. Why would you go and try to make some bullshit up if you were not there
prick!
camo suits with pockets????? LOL LOL LO LLOL LOL shea right!!!!
youre a spearfisherman???? show me some fish lets exchange notes honest come
on be a man.
OK, you got your picture. Your turn.

Lee
"Grumman-581" @houston.rr.com>
2003-11-12 02:24:40 UTC
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"Lee Bell" wrote ...
Post by Lee Bell
Why would anybody carry something
that large just to look in a few holes in
clear daylit water.
Well, Lee, being from the south, you're surely familiar with the hunting
term / endeavor practiced by certain people called "spotlighting", right?
He we just spotlighting bugs... <grin>
Lee Bell
2003-11-12 05:20:26 UTC
Permalink
Being from the south, you're surely familiar with the hunting
term / endeavor practiced by certain people called "spotlighting", right?
He we just spotlighting bugs... <grin>
I'm familiar with the term, but it's normally done at night and does not
involve lights powerful enough to cook the prey on the spot.

Lee
John Francis CID
2003-11-12 13:01:46 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:20:26 GMT, "Lee Bell"
Post by Lee Bell
Being from the south, you're surely familiar with the hunting
term / endeavor practiced by certain people called "spotlighting", right?
He we just spotlighting bugs... <grin>
I'm familiar with the term, but it's normally done at night and does not
involve lights powerful enough to cook the prey on the spot.
Lee
Hey! It's the modern age. You can now have takeout lobster delivered
steaming to your dive boat.

JF
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think
of one way to spell a word."
- Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)
Grumman-581
2003-11-12 15:21:51 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:20:26 GMT, "Lee Bell"
Post by Lee Bell
I'm familiar with the term, but it's normally done at night and does not
involve lights powerful enough to cook the prey on the spot.
Perhaps he's perfected a way to cook 'em and eat 'em without
surfacing? Those damn geothermal vents just never are around when you
need 'em...
Jerome O'Neil
2003-11-11 22:33:04 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Enough said....any comments???
Do you really wear a cammo wetsuit?

Dork!

--
Submergo ergo sum
JCACTION
2003-11-11 23:45:01 UTC
Permalink
Well Jerome, I am a dork????? Coming from someone with this kind of keen
insight, I feel complimented.
Post by Jerome O'Neil
Post by JCACTION
Enough said....any comments???
Do you really wear a cammo wetsuit?
Dork!
--
Submergo ergo sum
Scott
2003-11-11 23:48:25 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well Jerome, I am a dork????? Coming from someone with this kind of keen
insight, I feel complimented.
Life, no parole.

<plonk>
JCACTION
2003-11-12 00:32:56 UTC
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I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life. We shall see what
happens when I meet up with the little bitch bullshark or should i say again
bullshit at fill express. he will only come and make a public apology to me
and thats all that i will accept. as for the rest of you, my beef is not
with you, i dont know any of you but from your comments without any basis,
my above confirmation is clearly correct.

MR. Bullshark and I WILL meet and I guess he knows by now that if he doesnt
get a haircut by the time i see him, I will scalp his old raggedy fat bitch
ass just to prove to you boys theres a new sherriff in town and his name is
JCACTION so any of you wishing to make comments, feel free to contact me
directly and I WILL COME GET YOU face to face and we can further discuss
your ideas about me or any of my friends.....Lets see, who wants to go
first??? somebody give me a reason to beat the living fuck out of you!!!!
Please please someone gimme a call!!!!

Bullshit, I will see you soon my man, and please shave your wifes back for
me, i dont want hair all over me after I tap that AZZ!
Post by Scott
Post by JCACTION
Well Jerome, I am a dork????? Coming from someone with this kind of keen
insight, I feel complimented.
Life, no parole.
<plonk>
Kimber
2003-11-12 01:47:25 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Bullshit, I will see you soon my man, and please shave your wifes back for
me, i dont want hair all over me after I tap that AZZ!
If I didn't see Hog dead with my own very eyes --- I would think this was a
sockpuppet of his....

And I know he can't be reincarnated so quickly.

...looking over at the ashes of Hog on the bedside table....

Kimber
Dennis (Icarus)
2003-11-12 05:24:23 UTC
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Post by Kimber
Post by JCACTION
Bullshit, I will see you soon my man, and please shave your wifes back for
me, i dont want hair all over me after I tap that AZZ!
If I didn't see Hog dead with my own very eyes --- I would think this was a
sockpuppet of his....
And I know he can't be reincarnated so quickly.
Channeling?

Dennis
Post by Kimber
...looking over at the ashes of Hog on the bedside table....
Kimber
rnf2
2003-11-12 09:35:45 UTC
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Post by Dennis (Icarus)
Post by Kimber
If I didn't see Hog dead with my own very eyes --- I would think this
was
Post by Dennis (Icarus)
a
Post by Kimber
sockpuppet of his....
And I know he can't be reincarnated so quickly.
Channeling?
Dennis
Nah, From what I know of that, (re-runs of ghostbusters) thered be so much
exoplasmic goo over the keyboard the computer would have fried itself before
the first sentance was completed.
;)

rhys
John Francis CID
2003-11-12 13:05:42 UTC
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Post by rnf2
Nah, From what I know of that, (re-runs of ghostbusters) thered be so much
exoplasmic goo over the keyboard the computer would have fried itself before
the first sentance was completed.
;)
Hmmm. From the way I remember Mick going on about Kimber, that
wouldn't likely be ectoplasmic goo all over his keyboard. Sorry
Kimber, I couldn't resist. No disrespect meant. 8)

JF

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think
of one way to spell a word."
- Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)
Kimber
2003-11-12 19:38:09 UTC
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Post by John Francis CID
Hmmm. From the way I remember Mick going on about Kimber, that
wouldn't likely be ectoplasmic goo all over his keyboard. Sorry
Kimber, I couldn't resist. No disrespect meant. 8)
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kimber -- still laughing and *blushing*
Jerome's Sock Puppet
2003-11-12 03:07:05 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life. We shall see what
happens when I meet up with the little bitch bullshark or should i say again
bullshit at fill express.
My money says he kicks your ass and feeds you to the hogs.

--
Submergo ergo sum
Chandler
2003-11-12 04:17:58 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
my above confirmation is clearly correct.
thought that happened in church - not in rec.scuba
--
--Chandler --
May Hog be your boatman when you reach the River Styx
Chandler
2003-11-12 04:20:53 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life. We shall see what
happens when I meet up with the little bitch bullshark or should i say again
bullshit at fill express. he will only come and make a public apology to me
and thats all that i will accept. as for the rest of you, my beef is not
with you, i dont know any of you but from your comments without any basis,
my above confirmation is clearly correct.
MR. Bullshark and I WILL meet and I guess he knows by now that if he doesnt
get a haircut by the time i see him, I will scalp his old raggedy fat bitch
ass just to prove to you boys theres a new sherriff in town and his name is
JCACTION so any of you wishing to make comments, feel free to contact me
directly and I WILL COME GET YOU face to face and we can further discuss
your ideas about me or any of my friends.....Lets see, who wants to go
first??? somebody give me a reason to beat the living fuck out of you!!!!
Please please someone gimme a call!!!!
Bullshit, I will see you soon my man, and please shave your wifes back for
me, i dont want hair all over me after I tap that AZZ!
Post by Scott
Post by JCACTION
Well Jerome, I am a dork????? Coming from someone with this kind of
keen
Post by Scott
Post by JCACTION
insight, I feel complimented.
Life, no parole.
<plonk>
You are the guy that hangs out with docs from the VA? Are you one of
their experiments?
--
--Chandler --
May Hog be your boatman when you reach the River Styx
Crownfield
2003-11-12 06:22:34 UTC
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JCACTION wrote:
___________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do |
/ O O\__ NOT |
/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ the trolls |
/ _ \ \ _______________|
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

(Keith Lawrence, 1999)
mike gray, CID
2003-11-12 13:52:02 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life.
And you fit right in.
Chris Guynn
2003-11-12 17:53:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by JCACTION
I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life. We shall see what
happens when I meet up with the little bitch bullshark or should i say again
bullshit at fill express. he will only come and make a public apology to me
and thats all that i will accept. as for the rest of you, my beef is not
with you, i dont know any of you but from your comments without any basis,
my above confirmation is clearly correct.
MR. Bullshark and I WILL meet and I guess he knows by now that if he doesnt
get a haircut by the time i see him, I will scalp his old raggedy fat bitch
ass just to prove to you boys theres a new sherriff in town and his name is
JCACTION so any of you wishing to make comments, feel free to contact me
directly and I WILL COME GET YOU face to face and we can further discuss
your ideas about me or any of my friends.....Lets see, who wants to go
first??? somebody give me a reason to beat the living fuck out of you!!!!
Please please someone gimme a call!!!!
Bullshit, I will see you soon my man, and please shave your wifes back for
me, i dont want hair all over me after I tap that AZZ!
Hmmm.. threats on a newsgroup... Hey Greg, isn't that actionable?
rnf2
2003-11-12 19:33:15 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I have never in my life seen a more backwards bunch of rednecks scumsucking
tobacco chewing inbreeding bunch of loosers in my life.
Welcome to the family Brother!
Jerome's Sock Puppet
2003-11-12 03:05:21 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well Jerome, I am a dork?????
Clearly. Camo wet suit. That's classic.

But wait, there's more!

Deliberately shooting undersized animals. That's responsible hunting.

Can't manage a spool. That's pure strokery. (No offense to Team Stroke, of
course.)

1500 HIDs. That's making up for small peckers.

But the cammo, man. That is the topper.

We'll be sure to talk about you a lot after you're gone.
Post by JCACTION
Coming from someone with this kind of keen insight, I feel complimented.
Well you aught to feel down right special, now, eh?

--
Submergo ergo sum
mike gray, CID
2003-11-12 00:35:55 UTC
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(snip)

I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.

But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
JCACTION
2003-11-12 00:48:47 UTC
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I dont use a light faggot, but ill give you a nice ass whipping if you like
you little girl you, i bet your cousin gave you some ugly fuckin kids huh
fella?
Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
Crownfield
2003-11-12 06:23:25 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I dont use a light faggot, but ill give you a nice ass whipping if you like
you little girl you, i bet your cousin gave you some ugly fuckin kids huh
fella?
___________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do |
/ O O\__ NOT |
/ \ feed the |
/ \ \ the trolls |
/ _ \ \ _______________|
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

(Keith Lawrence, 1999)
Post by JCACTION
Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
mike gray, CID
2003-11-12 13:56:27 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
I dont use a light faggot, but ill give you a nice ass whipping if you like
you little girl you, i bet your cousin gave you some ugly fuckin kids huh
fella?
Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
Oh, and two more tips:

1. Don't top post.

2. Don't show hostility and anger when hunting, the prey can sense it.

And what's yer fascination with everyone's ass?
chilly
2003-11-12 01:44:40 UTC
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Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
Geez, Mike, you aren't really going to show this guy how you can sneak up on
3 bugs and capture them without a tickler or a bag, are ya?
mike gray, CID
2003-11-12 13:59:50 UTC
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Post by chilly
Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
Geez, Mike, you aren't really going to show this guy how you can sneak up on
3 bugs and capture them without a tickler or a bag, are ya?
Could this be the same twit that came up behind us that day?
chilly
2003-11-12 18:55:33 UTC
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Post by mike gray, CID
Post by chilly
Post by mike gray, CID
(snip)
I like yer calm incisive retort. Yer self control reflects yer great
blue hunter status.
But ya really don't need a $1500 light to chase the bugs back into their
holes. Sell the light and give me a third for bugging lessons.
Geez, Mike, you aren't really going to show this guy how you can sneak up on
3 bugs and capture them without a tickler or a bag, are ya?
Could this be the same twit that came up behind us that day?
Now that you mention it . . . he was wearing cammo . . .
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-13 01:12:39 UTC
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"chilly" <***@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:Now that you mention it . . . he was wearing cammo . . .

Then how did you see him?

Dan Bracuk
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2003-11-12 03:58:40 UTC
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***@bellsouth.net (JCACTION) pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
: I am NOT DIR never have been and never
:will be.

Welcome to Team Stroke JC. Good to have you aboard.

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2003-11-12 03:59:46 UTC
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***@bellsouth.net (JCACTION) pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:3. Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
:critic? My you have incredible observation skills. You even noticed a
:guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time. Is this a
:problem for you??? The guy is a Doctor for the VA and a very good one
:I might add. He was on the phone with the hospital, his girlfriend was
:on the phone too, she is the same as he is! But that you would notice
:such uneventful things makes me think you are a very grouchy and
:unhappy human being.

You think he's grouchy - I would have asked if they were talking to
each other.

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Dan Bracuk
2003-11-12 07:38:48 UTC
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"JCACTION" wrote
: 3. Are you sure you are a diver and not a relative of Siskel the
: critic? My you have incredible observation skills. You even noticed a
: guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time. Is this a
: problem for you??? The guy is a Doctor for the VA and a very good one
: I might add. He was on the phone with the hospital, his girlfriend was
: on the phone too, she is the same as he is! But that you would notice
: such uneventful things makes me think you are a very grouchy and
: unhappy human being.

Having looked at the timings again, if their phone calls delayed the boat,
they are both very rude. There is no reason that they should have made all
the other passengers wait for their phone calls. Being a doctor is no
excuse.





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H. Huntzinger
2003-11-12 11:56:08 UTC
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Post by Dan Bracuk
Having looked at the timings again, if their phone calls delayed the boat,
they are both very rude. There is no reason that they should have made all
the other passengers wait for their phone calls. Being a doctor is no
excuse.
I agree.

Furthermore, if the alleged MD's call really was that important, the
proper response is to wave off the boat and tell them that he'll
retrieve his gear after they get back.

If <***@bellsouth.net> wants to defend their rude actions, that's
his perrogative...it just means he doesn't know what proper manners are
either.


Besides, if it was just a ~2 minute phone call, they could have done
this from the boat as it got underway: celluar reception is not lost as
soon as you're 10ft off the dock...



-hh
John Francis CID
2003-11-12 13:10:09 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:56:08 -0500, " H. Huntzinger"
Post by H. Huntzinger
Besides, if it was just a ~2 minute phone call, they could have done
this from the boat as it got underway: celluar reception is not lost as
soon as you're 10ft off the dock...
I dunno about you, but I always defer to a doctor in camo with a 5'
speargun, especially when he has armed chick backup. Ya never know, it
might be a facelift emergency, or worse, mebbe he'd just found out his
bond broker had retired.

JF


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mike gray, CID
2003-11-12 14:07:04 UTC
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Post by John Francis CID
Post by H. Huntzinger
Besides, if it was just a ~2 minute phone call, they could have done
this from the boat as it got underway: celluar reception is not lost as
soon as you're 10ft off the dock...
I dunno about you, but I always defer to a doctor in camo with a 5'
speargun, especially when he has armed chick backup. Ya never know, it
might be a facelift emergency, or worse, mebbe he'd just found out his
bond broker had retired.
***** (five stars)
Grumman-581
2003-11-12 15:27:38 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:56:08 -0500, " H. Huntzinger" wrote ...
Post by H. Huntzinger
Besides, if it was just a ~2 minute phone call, they could have done
this from the boat as it got underway: celluar reception is not lost as
soon as you're 10ft off the dock...
I've found pretty good cellular reception while offshore, but
surprisingly, really crappy reception while airborne even when as low
as 1000 ft AGL... At around 300-500 ft, the reception gets better...
I'm assuming that the antennas tend to not have much of a vertical
component in their reception pattern...
Dan Bracuk, CTHD
2003-11-13 01:10:28 UTC
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" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}***@huntzinger.com> pounded
away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Besides, if it was just a ~2 minute phone call, they could have done
:this from the boat as it got underway: celluar reception is not lost as
:soon as you're 10ft off the dock...

In all fairness, we don't know if the guy was callling or answering.
If calling, a disavantage of doing it on the boat is the noise of the
engine.

But, if he was calling, he should have done it earlier. Very rude to
hold up the boat.

Dan Bracuk
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2003-11-12 12:58:30 UTC
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Post by JCACTION
Well, well, well, I just had to make an appearance here in order to
clarify and at the same time make a few points of my own.
Welcome aboard, rec.scuba. Hope you've read the FAQ.
Post by JCACTION
...I am NOT DIR never have been and never will be.
Well, with an arrogant attitude and cussing, its easy to get confused :-)
Post by JCACTION
I am however a serious hunter and that is something I am very
proud of.
Personally, I don't spearfish. I do "hunt" with an UW camera, though.
My only real comment here is on the (your words) 'garbage' Hogfish you
took, as this does raise into question your apparent failure in good
judgement on this particular day. As such, I'd apprecite it if you
could please expand on the events of that day and explain what it is
that I'm missing.
Post by JCACTION
1. I dive steel tanks and wear a camo wetsuit. If you understood
anything about spearfishing, you would know that the camo suit breaks
up your profile in the water and therefore is more of a fish attractor
than a disguise.
Assuming that its fair to apply "Camera Hunting" observations, I'll
accept one's profile/color as a contributor. However, in my experience,
its nowhere near the most important one: both bubbles management and
approach angles/posture/speed are more significant contributors.
Post by JCACTION
But then again, when hunters go hunting you always see them wear what????
CAMO you JERK!
"Always" is a dangerous word: http://tinyurl.com/uojw

UW, red quickly turns to black, and as such, the harm in wearing that
particular color is minor.
Post by JCACTION
2. You spoke about some of my friends using HID lights. Any problem
with that??? They were looking for lobster you idiot.
What kind of light was really _necessary_ for this dive?

I can understand taking taking along a particular piece of gear because
you want to test it, practice, etc, but there's no good reason to take
an expensive piece of gear on a dive when there's no meaningful benefit.
This is all common sense, which means that you should easily be able to
easily identify what the benefit of taking the HID's on this dive was.
Post by JCACTION
Dont be upset just because you cant afford a $1,500 light.
The only real context that money has to do with this is that the more
expensive the gear, the more strictly the "Necessary?" self-assessment
should be applied.
Post by JCACTION
You even noticed a guy talking on the phone 15 minutes before leave time.
Is this a problem for you???
Did they or did they not delay the diveboat's departure?
Post by JCACTION
... The difference with you
and I is that I have pictures in full gear, I have pictures under
water and I have videos of myself diving. I will gladly post them to
see how much critiquing you can do then.
Great! However, this is a text-only group, so its an ISP TOS violation
if you try to post them (binaries) here.

The right way to do it is to upload the .JPG's to a webserver, and then
announce their location here. If you don't have your own host space to
do this, just say so - several of us would be willing to loan the space
to let the entire newsgroup see the pic's.
Post by JCACTION
5.You also mention a buddy of mine who did have a speargun which you
claim was over 5 feet long!...As for your comments
about him leaving his finger spool behind, let me just tell you the
reality of that situation. The boat had dive flags with those crappy
yellow line holders and he simply did what he always does on a good
boat, he did not want to mess with the yellow hanger and so he
intended to attach his spool to the flag and use that instead. He
would take that and clip it to his d ring. Only one problem, the dive
flag is such a piece of work that there is no way to attach his line
to it so he laid his spool down and was forced to use the yellow line
holder which of course youre very comfy with.
Sorry, I'm a confused: are you saying that your buddy can supposedly
afford an expensive speargun, but can't afford his own flag, so he ends
up mucking around with the crappy one that's on the diveboat every week?

No, it doesn't sound too good when I say it that way, does it? Sorry.
Post by JCACTION
... by the way, the
guy saying he had the dive tables in his head really does have the
tables in his head, yeah hes the doctor who was on the phone too. You
on the other hand need your little puter to tell you what to do as
most of us do. He can dive and does dive without one because he does
have it all in his head. Then again, he is a doctor, you know? A
person used to harder things than rememebering a dive table.
I suggest you read the archives about the long discussion that was held
on the subject of "Tables Memorization". To BLUF it, a simple $200 tool
can provide a lot of safety from making simple mistakes, particularly as
the odds of inattention increases with the PPN2 level. I'm sorry to
say, but your buddy the doctor should really know better than to try to
rely on a proven-unreliable system.
Post by JCACTION
With this said, I dare you to respond, I further dare you to meet me
and call me a sissy but remember to bring your wife and I also dare
you to be a man and apologize. Any of those options works for me. I
dont know about your wife though, if you are who you think you are,
your wife needs a brromstick instead of a tank.
To drag in uninvolved family members is completely without class and
entirely uncalled for. AFAIC, you immediately owe SS's wife an apology.



-hh
scuba4ever
2003-11-12 23:20:12 UTC
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