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Equipment reviews
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G Man
2004-12-24 06:40:08 UTC
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HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am having a
bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say good things
about he items being reviewed...

Cheers

G.
Lisa Z. Morgan
2004-12-24 16:16:52 UTC
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Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com

Lisa
Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am having a
bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say good things
about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
Lisa Z. Morgan
2004-12-24 16:17:28 UTC
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Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com

Lisa
Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am having a
bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say good things
about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
Grumman-581
2004-12-24 16:28:14 UTC
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"Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote ...
Post by Lisa Z. Morgan
Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com
<snicker>

You probably should have researched that a bit before you put your foot in
your mouth like that... A more accurate statement would be that they do good
gear reviews FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS...
Lisa Z. Morgan
2004-12-24 16:35:42 UTC
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S'truth. Hmmm, yummy fins...

Lisa
Post by Grumman-581
"Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote ...
Post by Lisa Z. Morgan
Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com
<snicker>
You probably should have researched that a bit before you put your foot in
your mouth like that... A more accurate statement would be that they do good
gear reviews FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS...
Adam Helberg
2004-12-24 19:03:02 UTC
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Post by Grumman-581
"Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote ...
Post by Lisa Z. Morgan
Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com
<snicker>
You probably should have researched that a bit before you put your foot in
your mouth like that... A more accurate statement would be that they do good
gear reviews FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS...
What evidence do you have for that?
Popeye NCAT3
2004-12-24 19:28:33 UTC
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Date: 12/24/2004 2:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Grumman-581
"Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote ...
Post by Lisa Z. Morgan
Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com
<snicker>
You probably should have researched that a bit before you put your foot in
your mouth like that... A more accurate statement would be that they do
good
Post by Grumman-581
gear reviews FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS...
What evidence do you have for that?
Common sense?


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NE333RO
2004-12-24 21:12:16 UTC
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Post by Popeye NCAT3
Post by Adam Helberg
What evidence do you have for that?
Common sense?
Past experience?
Grumman-581
2004-12-24 19:49:45 UTC
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"Adam Helberg" wrote ...
Post by Adam Helberg
What evidence do you have for that?
Depends upon your definition of 'evidence'... What one convince one person
might not convince another person... Here's a link... We've discussed this
in detail on previous topics and some people are convinced, some refuse to
be convinced by *anything*...

http://www.forcefin.com/FF_PAGES/FF_wisewords/rodalesuit.htm

Of particular note is the next to last paragraph:

<snip>
Statements made by Dane Farnum, Publisher, Rodale's Scuba Diving regarding
the suit conclude with the statement that "Rodale's Scuba Diving will
continue to publish the only comparative scuba equipment evaluations
available in the United States." The evaluations are not characterized as
"independent", "objective" or "unbiased" as was objected by Bob Evans
Designs, Inc.
</snip>

End result is that yes, Rodales does compare things, but one should
understand that there might be some bias in their comparisons... At the very
least, it is a place where one might see what items might be currently
available for the recreational market... Don't hold your breath on waiting
for them to do a review of various backplates though... <grin>
Adam Helberg
2004-12-24 20:19:39 UTC
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Post by Grumman-581
"Adam Helberg" wrote ...
Post by Adam Helberg
What evidence do you have for that?
Depends upon your definition of 'evidence'... What one convince one person
might not convince another person... Here's a link... We've discussed this
in detail on previous topics and some people are convinced, some refuse to
be convinced by *anything*...
http://www.forcefin.com/FF_PAGES/FF_wisewords/rodalesuit.htm
<snip>
Statements made by Dane Farnum, Publisher, Rodale's Scuba Diving regarding
the suit conclude with the statement that "Rodale's Scuba Diving will
continue to publish the only comparative scuba equipment evaluations
available in the United States." The evaluations are not characterized as
"independent", "objective" or "unbiased" as was objected by Bob Evans
Designs, Inc.
</snip>
End result is that yes, Rodales does compare things, but one should
understand that there might be some bias in their comparisons... At the very
least, it is a place where one might see what items might be currently
available for the recreational market... Don't hold your breath on waiting
for them to do a review of various backplates though... <grin>
Rodale's is no Consumer Reports and obviously accepts advertising and is a money
making outfit. Also some brands refuse to submit their products for testing. For
example ScubaPro at one time or currently is one of them. It's not surprising the
ratings are biased to some extent by advertising pressure.

Nevertheless when it comes to scuba gear there is no Consumer Reports. There are
advertising blurbs as in California news, user reviews and some attempts at
comparative tests. Some of the data on gear in Rodale's on gear is very good--for
example conservativeness comparison of various computers was very good. You have to
use what data is available when buying gear taking into account that the data may be
flawed, still it's better than nothing or listening to a dive shop salesman.

Adam
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2004-12-25 02:43:18 UTC
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Post by Adam Helberg
Post by Grumman-581
"Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote ...
Post by Lisa Z. Morgan
Rodales Scuba Diving does pretty good gear reviews. www.scubadiving.com
<snicker>
You probably should have researched that a bit before you put your foot in
your mouth like that... A more accurate statement would be that they do good
gear reviews FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS...
What evidence do you have for that?
read the magazine, peruse the advertisers. If you have the sense to
unzip before pissing, you'll figure it out.
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2004-12-25 02:59:04 UTC
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Post by Adam Helberg
What evidence do you have for that?
Their opinion on spare air?
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Michael Wolf
2004-12-26 00:53:48 UTC
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Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am
having a bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say
good things about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
How about simply asking opinions here?

But don't mention 'spare air'...
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G Man
2004-12-26 05:36:14 UTC
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Hi Michael,
That would be a bit too time consuming...
Thus I was hoping for a review site...

Thanks

Gerald
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Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am
having a bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say
good things about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
How about simply asking opinions here?
But don't mention 'spare air'...
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Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil?
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Dillon Pyron
2004-12-27 02:09:30 UTC
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Post by G Man
Hi Michael,
That would be a bit too time consuming...
Thus I was hoping for a review site...
The problem is, you can fund it one of two ways.
Subscription/membership model (Consumer's Report) or advertising model
(magazines). One of them can reasonably assure objectivity, but has a
high cost to the individual. The other is cheap to you, but has the
risk of being biased towards advertisers. Even in a comparative
review, there may be a winner, but everyone is likely to come out
smelling pretty good.
Post by G Man
Thanks
Gerald
Post by Michael Wolf
Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am
having a bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say
good things about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
How about simply asking opinions here?
But don't mention 'spare air'...
Spare air good. Gives plenty of time to make a generic plea for
forgiveness of all sins. And probably The Lord's Prayer, if you are
quick about it.
Post by G Man
Post by Michael Wolf
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G Man
2004-12-27 11:11:48 UTC
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Hi All,
Does anyone use the following and what is the review on it? :
1 Oceanic Zeta
2 Oceanic FX BCD
3 ScubaPro MK25 / s600
4 ScubaPro Classic Sport
5 Mares Proton MR 12
6 Mares R2 Axis
7 Mares Jubilee BCD
8 Mares Vector Origin
9 Dacor Fury ADJ Reg
10 Dacor Fury Octopus
11 Deepoutdoors Neutrino BCD

its a long list... Sorry...

G.
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by G Man
Hi Michael,
That would be a bit too time consuming...
Thus I was hoping for a review site...
The problem is, you can fund it one of two ways.
Subscription/membership model (Consumer's Report) or advertising model
(magazines). One of them can reasonably assure objectivity, but has a
high cost to the individual. The other is cheap to you, but has the
risk of being biased towards advertisers. Even in a comparative
review, there may be a winner, but everyone is likely to come out
smelling pretty good.
Post by G Man
Thanks
Gerald
Post by Michael Wolf
Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am
having a bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all say
good things about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
How about simply asking opinions here?
But don't mention 'spare air'...
Spare air good. Gives plenty of time to make a generic plea for
forgiveness of all sins. And probably The Lord's Prayer, if you are
quick about it.
Post by G Man
Post by Michael Wolf
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Michael Wolf
2005-01-05 21:22:42 UTC
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Post by G Man
Hi All,
1 Oceanic Zeta
2 Oceanic FX BCD
3 ScubaPro MK25 / s600
4 ScubaPro Classic Sport
5 Mares Proton MR 12
6 Mares R2 Axis
7 Mares Jubilee BCD
8 Mares Vector Origin
9 Dacor Fury ADJ Reg
10 Dacor Fury Octopus
11 Deepoutdoors Neutrino BCD
Our club is using the MR12 and Vector Origin for its' courses.
It's good, sturdy equipment. Nothing fancy, but it'll do the job (and keep
on doing it)
Post by G Man
its a long list... Sorry...
G.
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by G Man
Hi Michael,
That would be a bit too time consuming...
Thus I was hoping for a review site...
The problem is, you can fund it one of two ways.
Subscription/membership model (Consumer's Report) or advertising model
(magazines). One of them can reasonably assure objectivity, but has a
high cost to the individual. The other is cheap to you, but has the
risk of being biased towards advertisers. Even in a comparative
review, there may be a winner, but everyone is likely to come out
smelling pretty good.
Post by G Man
Thanks
Gerald
Post by Michael Wolf
Post by G Man
HI All,
Are there any good sites with trust worthy reviews out there? I am
having a bit of a problem deciding on gar as most of the sites all
say
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by G Man
Post by Michael Wolf
Post by G Man
good things about he items being reviewed...
Cheers
G.
How about simply asking opinions here?
But don't mention 'spare air'...
Spare air good. Gives plenty of time to make a generic plea for
forgiveness of all sins. And probably The Lord's Prayer, if you are
quick about it.
Post by G Man
Post by Michael Wolf
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